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we're talking about fiscal cliff, and we're forgetting about the weak economy in the uk. there are two things that i'm watching. i'm looking at central banks around the world constituent adding physical gold to their coffers to the opportunity of 400 tons. and a new investor class, the etp, investors holding 2600 tons of gold and the fourth largest holder. so when i start watching, if we start reducing those levels, maybe the top is in. by the way, the dollar is closer to the lows than it is to the highs, so keep an eye on the dollar as well. >> okay. it sounds like it's too early to call in your view. let's look at what goldman is cowling for. they're cutting their 3, 6 and 12-month targets. do you agree with those levels where you see it going long term and short term? >> jackie, you know, the numbers we have to watch right now, i don't know if i necessarily agree with those numbers. but the numbers we're looking at right now are the numbers we have covered on this show a few times. it's 1675 to 1672. that's the big support there. if we get through that, we'll see 1600,
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he will be the cause of goin over t fiscal cliff. i don't know what the republican leaders cannot hang onto that thought. they will be watching him, the reaction to the ultimatum, he will be sending the country over the fiscal cliff over what will amount to 8% of -- replacement of 8 percent of the deficit for fiscal 2013. it is mindless. >> as i said, i am quite nervous about this. i listen to speaker boehner say the day after the lection, revenue is on the table. the american people want to compromise an make washington work. he said it again and put out a specific offer. all we have heard from the president is a hard-line wasno negotiation on the tax side and not e word about the entitlement reforms that would have to match that for this plan to make any sense. and it is that absence of lead on the spending side nd unwillingness to make compromises that will actually get als done and have washington auction again that i think our marks aginst this lame-duck session. lou: you have projected, the action form has projected 10 million
he will be the cause of goin over t fiscal cliff. i don't know what the republican leaders cannot hang onto that thought. they will be watching him, the reaction to the ultimatum, he will be sending the country over the fiscal cliff over what will amount to 8% of -- replacement of 8 percent of the deficit for fiscal 2013. it is mindless. >> as i said, i am quite nervous about this. i listen to speaker boehner say the day after the lection, revenue is on the table. the american people want...
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>> i contends the fiscal cliff will come to an agreement. it will be temporary in nature, kind of a year type of plan. i think the market has digested a bit that tax rates will go up. it's just a matter of how much spending are we going to cut to make this a market between the democrats and republicans. >> does monetary policy hurt or help the banks? keeping rates as low as they are, it's tough to make a buck the traditional way of lending and spending, right? >> i'm going to be a two-armed economist because i can't said on the other hand. there's two things that are very important. first of all, credit in commercial real estate is phenomenal. cap rates are really low. so the fact that rates are as low as they are has allowed commercial real estate not to fall into the abyss. if commercial real estate had to refi at high rates, we would have had another problem. the other problem is the fact margins are getting squeezed at these banks. credit quality is better. >> that's where the money comes from. >> yeah, fees. by the way, you can eat thes
>> i contends the fiscal cliff will come to an agreement. it will be temporary in nature, kind of a year type of plan. i think the market has digested a bit that tax rates will go up. it's just a matter of how much spending are we going to cut to make this a market between the democrats and republicans. >> does monetary policy hurt or help the banks? keeping rates as low as they are, it's tough to make a buck the traditional way of lending and spending, right? >> i'm going to...
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the president in his own words confirming that tax hike, coming irrespective of the fiscal cliff outcome. >> taxes are going to go up one way or the other, the key is to make taxes go up and high-end individuals, i am confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high income individuals. lou: obamacare, guarantees taxes are going up. 5 new obam obamacare-based taxeo kick in next year. a 3.8% surtax on unearned income, and call chains and dividend 18.8%, and a new tax on hospital care, and medical device manufacturersing' taxed 2.3% of the price of their products. americans get a tax deduction if their medical expenses exceed 7.5% of their total income that number rising to 10% for everyone under the age of 65. and government, for first time ever sending a limit on tax free flexible spending accounts, joint committee tax, estimates those 5 new provisions amount to $2 60 billion tax hike over next 7 years, president obama, avoid anything real negotiating on fiscal cliff issue, president doubles the amount of tax hikes he campaigned on w
the president in his own words confirming that tax hike, coming irrespective of the fiscal cliff outcome. >> taxes are going to go up one way or the other, the key is to make taxes go up and high-end individuals, i am confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high income individuals. lou: obamacare, guarantees taxes are going up. 5 new obam obamacare-based taxeo kick in next year. a 3.8% surtax on unearned income, and call chains...
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stay with us. >>> the fiscal cliff fiasco. the obama plan, the boehner plan, will either alter america's rising rate of spending or lessen the size of our bloated government? the answer in tonight's chalk talk. >>> is the housing market really recovering? $17 trillion is riding on the answer. the president and ceo of citi mortgage joins us next. twins. i dn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligation b obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is eep. introducing the ishares core, budinglos for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 ilarge professisional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectis, risks, charges and expenses. ad and consider itarefully bere investing. ri includes possible ss of principal. lou: new reports show foreign investment is helping the housing market slowly recover. citimortgage president and ceo sanjiv das joins us here in just moments to discuss that and
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cliff. >> behind the scenes negotiations continue today. republicans say they're waiting for the president to outline more spending cuts. the three big issues, tax rates, entitlement reform, medicare and social security, and whether to raise the debt ceiling. we're about to hit it again, and america may need to borrow more. and on those issues at least for now on chilapitol hill, democra seem to think they have the upper hand. that's it for now. >> thanks so much. >>> last night he describes what he says is to use the debt creel as a pawn in the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> they see the handwriting on the wall and they're going to have to extend it, and if they don't the whole country will see they were willing to tank the entire economy and give everybody the tax break to give people at the top a bonus. where they're just dead wrong, ed, is thinking they're going to gain leverage over this debt ceiling because the american people are not going to stand for republicans turning right around and threatening to destroy the american economy by
cliff. >> behind the scenes negotiations continue today. republicans say they're waiting for the president to outline more spending cuts. the three big issues, tax rates, entitlement reform, medicare and social security, and whether to raise the debt ceiling. we're about to hit it again, and america may need to borrow more. and on those issues at least for now on chilapitol hill, democra seem to think they have the upper hand. that's it for now. >> thanks so much. >>> last...
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people looking past the headlines whether it's the fiscal cliff or europe. i mean, there's a lot of doom day sayers out there, and it makes sense, but it seems like everything right now is contained, and the trade is up to the upside. david: right. liz mentioned the fed decision coming up, should be hearing about it tomorrow. what's the market expecting from the fed? in what way will they be excited or disappointed? >> well, i think the market, if you look at the options market, the flows into the ten year treasuries, it's implying 85 billion per month. the reason i say that is right now, deals, what, 165 #, if that was not the case, yields should be up 180, maybe 183 right now so all the flow right now is pointing to 85 or 90 billion per month. liz: okay. none of us is going to fight the tape here, larry. we'll talk to you in a moment when the s&p futures close, but in the meantime, going to the panel, daifd. david: sam, chief equity strategist, and charles bitterman, trim tabs investment ceo and portfolio manager. sam, you first. you reminded us that gdp i
people looking past the headlines whether it's the fiscal cliff or europe. i mean, there's a lot of doom day sayers out there, and it makes sense, but it seems like everything right now is contained, and the trade is up to the upside. david: right. liz mentioned the fed decision coming up, should be hearing about it tomorrow. what's the market expecting from the fed? in what way will they be excited or disappointed? >> well, i think the market, if you look at the options market, the flows...
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. >>> turning now to politics and the fiscal cliff negotiation. president obama and speaker boehner are keeping an open dialogue. speaking on the phone yesterday after trading secret proposals to avoid the year-end deadline. with few details revealed, officials say the president lowered his initial asking price on tax cuts to $1.4 trillion. president boehner took his displeasure to the house floor. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. where are the president's spending cuts? the longer the white house slow-walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> president obama responded, showing republicans where they could find the details. >> it's not a mystery. we've seen this before. this is the document that contains the specific spending cuts. the speaker of the house sent us a proposal that was two pages long that included one sentence on revenue. the proposal here includes, i believe f
. >>> turning now to politics and the fiscal cliff negotiation. president obama and speaker boehner are keeping an open dialogue. speaking on the phone yesterday after trading secret proposals to avoid the year-end deadline. with few details revealed, officials say the president lowered his initial asking price on tax cuts to $1.4 trillion. president boehner took his displeasure to the house floor. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the...
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that will upset the rest of america but most consumers, they say fiscal cliff. >> what's the fiscal cliff. >> i don't know what that is. >> you are right. the business community is sitting on its cash, wall street waiting on every word and consumer as if nothing. but you know it comes home to roost. good to have you on the program. thank you so much. >> nice to see you. >>> american cars zooming along. some of the best news for the auto sector in years. what it means for your set of wheels. >>> living with lions, julie taymor with me on one of broadway's biggest payoffs as it marks a milestone. back in a moment. americans are always ready to work hard for a better future. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. together for your future. ♪ ke a closer look... ...at the best schools in the world.
that will upset the rest of america but most consumers, they say fiscal cliff. >> what's the fiscal cliff. >> i don't know what that is. >> you are right. the business community is sitting on its cash, wall street waiting on every word and consumer as if nothing. but you know it comes home to roost. good to have you on the program. thank you so much. >> nice to see you. >>> american cars zooming along. some of the best news for the auto sector in years. what it...
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liz: the fiscal cliff, did it play into why solar city cut its price? >> i think it was a minor factor. i think the larger factor is that -- is that investors looking at the ipo, the last ipos invested in, are all underwater. the bankers said the only company that's trading above the ipo price is tesla so it's tough when somebody has heard a story where that's perhaps now compelling the first ten times, and now that the 11 company says this time, for sure, it's going to work, and, like, even though the fundmentals are really strong -- i mean, nobody could refute the business fundamentals. they really -- the people -- the push back we got was irrational like, oh, it's solar. solar's bad. the fundamentals are strong. solar's bad. i'm like, uh, that doesn't make sense. >> 300% customer growth rate. >> yeah. we could have a mint and say we mint money. [laughter] solar's back. wait a second. liz: 47% jump in the stock today. looks like they priced it well enough that it did get the big pop. david, glad i didn't wear green. oh, my gosh. david: would have been
liz: the fiscal cliff, did it play into why solar city cut its price? >> i think it was a minor factor. i think the larger factor is that -- is that investors looking at the ipo, the last ipos invested in, are all underwater. the bankers said the only company that's trading above the ipo price is tesla so it's tough when somebody has heard a story where that's perhaps now compelling the first ten times, and now that the 11 company says this time, for sure, it's going to work, and, like,...
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and in part, they cite the fiscal cliff. i think if you were out there, you would get answers that would not necessarily describe it correctly. >> it's a shame it's called fiscal cliff. and called radical tax increase. it was meant to cause a recession. the government felt in its infinite wisdom that -- >> you think it's a radical tax increase? >> i think so, yeah. i think you'll notice it in your paycheck for certain. >> that's absolutely for sure. >> your first check, second paycheck, then you get the chaos that bowles mentioned. and the chaos is, wow, i have much less to spend. i didn't know this was coming. alternative minimum tax being the silent killer who really understands how much more they have to pay, check at the end of the year. do the math. >> we saw it in the consumer sentiment numbers, and what it will be when the increases actually go through. most of that decline in sentiment that we saw on friday was from households earning more than $75,000. a higher income in this survey, households felt it the most, eve
and in part, they cite the fiscal cliff. i think if you were out there, you would get answers that would not necessarily describe it correctly. >> it's a shame it's called fiscal cliff. and called radical tax increase. it was meant to cause a recession. the government felt in its infinite wisdom that -- >> you think it's a radical tax increase? >> i think so, yeah. i think you'll notice it in your paycheck for certain. >> that's absolutely for sure. >> your first...
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this fiscal cliff is the direct result of the last fiscal cliff when we had the debt limit showdown. >>neil: both sides agreed. >>guest: i voted again i. why create the artificial crisis as a way to force action? it never works. >>neil: bethis. they did. >>guest: and now they are going to do it again. they are saying, now, hurt growth in america, cut a deal that hurts growth in america so in a year from now we will have a worst fiscal cliff and that is the real fiscal cliff $16 trillion debt which the tax you have 200,000 less jobsve next year and the people voting for that will be responsible and held accountable for the public policy. >>neil: you have been talking about freeing out to the middle-class. for and reason in the last election republicans lost the middle class. they seemed to get stereotypes as the party that appeals only to the well-to-do. what i am asking you, how do you change that? the perception sticks in the eyes of some. >>guest: first of all, we need to understand the middle class makes us different and exceptional. every didn't has rich people but what makes us
this fiscal cliff is the direct result of the last fiscal cliff when we had the debt limit showdown. >>neil: both sides agreed. >>guest: i voted again i. why create the artificial crisis as a way to force action? it never works. >>neil: bethis. they did. >>guest: and now they are going to do it again. they are saying, now, hurt growth in america, cut a deal that hurts growth in america so in a year from now we will have a worst fiscal cliff and that is the real fiscal...
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the republicans and democrats alike designed the fiscal cliff. it's a series of bipartisan compromises and i think it's kind of foolish to think that this group of congressmen and senators is going to come up with a way out of something they themselves designed. >> rich, you worked for a republican speaker who went up against a democratic president over the spending issues. back then the face-off didn't turn out all that well for your party. obviously very difficult era. do you agree with eric's take? is the right strategy for republicans to stick to their guns, forget about compromise? >> no. i really don't -- eric is one of my favorite people. we talk a lot. but i think that, and i did work for the speaker gingrich during the shut-down fight in '96, and it did not work out well for republicans. the president has a much bigger bully pulpit than the speaker does. newt gingrich's bully pulpit was pretty big back in those days but at some point, republicans in the house -- and i think boehner is trying to look for ways to do this, speaker boehner,
the republicans and democrats alike designed the fiscal cliff. it's a series of bipartisan compromises and i think it's kind of foolish to think that this group of congressmen and senators is going to come up with a way out of something they themselves designed. >> rich, you worked for a republican speaker who went up against a democratic president over the spending issues. back then the face-off didn't turn out all that well for your party. obviously very difficult era. do you agree with...
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now, i'm tired of hearing about the fiscal cliff. i think it's a cliche. and i submit to you mcguirk, that most americans have no idea what this story is about. >> i think a couple of things. but i think this is a conspiracy to kill right wing talk radio because this will make your ears bleed listening to these guys argue about it and be angry over it. but i would also say to the republics, obama won. it's like all this whining about that. i mean, they are like the japanese soldiers in the pacific after world war ii still fighting the battle way into the 1950s. he won. it's over and the fiscal cliff is either -- the taxes are going to go up on these rich people one way are 00 other. >> bill: they are going to go up on everybody. as howard dean said at the top of the program. the rich people are going to pay much more which is a good reason not to buy gutfeld's book because if you do he is going to have to pay more in taxes next year because that's when the royalties will come into him. everybody is going to have to pay more taxes because we're in such dire
now, i'm tired of hearing about the fiscal cliff. i think it's a cliche. and i submit to you mcguirk, that most americans have no idea what this story is about. >> i think a couple of things. but i think this is a conspiracy to kill right wing talk radio because this will make your ears bleed listening to these guys argue about it and be angry over it. but i would also say to the republics, obama won. it's like all this whining about that. i mean, they are like the japanese soldiers in...
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why not go over the fiscal cliff where you get both of those? i think that's where we are headed, david, unfortunately. david: bill beach, director of heriiage foundation director of for analysis. good to see you again. liz: right before the holidays, citi cutting costs and 11,000 jobs with it. that number could go up even more. liz macdonald has all the breaking details exclusively here on fox business. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care syst spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. i never missed a beat. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. ♪ [ male announcer ] they are a glowing exple of what it means to be the best. and at th special time of year, they shine evebrighter. come to the winter event and get the mercedes-benz you've always wished for, now for an exceptional pric [ santa ] ho, ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 glk350 for $399 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. liz: the third largest u.s. bank announcing it will cut 11,000 jobs in an eff
why not go over the fiscal cliff where you get both of those? i think that's where we are headed, david, unfortunately. david: bill beach, director of heriiage foundation director of for analysis. good to see you again. liz: right before the holidays, citi cutting costs and 11,000 jobs with it. that number could go up even more. liz macdonald has all the breaking details exclusively here on fox business. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care syst spoke a language all...
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the fiscal cliff is a misnomer. we went off the fiscal cliff a long time ago when we doubled the size of the government in the last 11 years and when we gave increased benefits in medicare without creating tax revenue source to pay for it. the question is not medicare, social security, why would you not just address the issues facing our country and the very things that are going to cripple us if we don't address them? ann and saving medicare, guaranteeing that benefit to people in the future out to be important. we have 3 million people this year that are going to go in to medicare and three million the next and the next. >> what leverage do you think republicans have to force and get a deal? >> i don't know. i think, again, that's washington speak for politics, rather than policy. again, i think we ought to raise it another notch up. shouldn't we be having the president of the united states with the leaders of both houses of congress come together and say what are the real problems in the short term and long term
the fiscal cliff is a misnomer. we went off the fiscal cliff a long time ago when we doubled the size of the government in the last 11 years and when we gave increased benefits in medicare without creating tax revenue source to pay for it. the question is not medicare, social security, why would you not just address the issues facing our country and the very things that are going to cripple us if we don't address them? ann and saving medicare, guaranteeing that benefit to people in the future...
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>> i am very confident that we will at birth the fiscal cliff. the only issue is how much of this will we get done. >> i am not at all confident, actually. just hearing what adam said does not make me any more confident. it is on schedule to rock itself and very, very soon. when i hear this kind of stuff that we are trying to push granny over the cliff, that is absolute garbage and that will not take a deal. we have to reduce the deficit. you have to do that by reforming medicare and medicaid. you have to deal with all of them. when i hear my democrat colleagues say maybe we will do something with medicare card ten years away, that will not work. connell: we will wrap it up for today. thank you to both of you. >> thank you. dagen: investors suffering from a little fiscal cliff fatigue. kevin flanagan says do not look away. this could look really ugly. hey, kevin. looking at the yield on the ten year period about 1.65%. it does not look like there has been any serious market reaction . what could happen if we get to this deadline and nothing happe
>> i am very confident that we will at birth the fiscal cliff. the only issue is how much of this will we get done. >> i am not at all confident, actually. just hearing what adam said does not make me any more confident. it is on schedule to rock itself and very, very soon. when i hear this kind of stuff that we are trying to push granny over the cliff, that is absolute garbage and that will not take a deal. we have to reduce the deficit. you have to do that by reforming medicare...
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in 2013 regardless if we drive off the fiscal cliff or not. it is force the nation's hardest workers believe it or not cough up more dough. the country's wealthiest put uncle sam competence forever. joining us now. the government made all his mistakes, so the really wealthy people can pay for it all. speak the whole point is it can fit the bill. we'll add $10 trillion of debt, doesn't obama taught no tax increases. we're talking cover the debt over that time. it is not enough to prevent a debt crisis down the line. tracy: we have seen it time and time again. thougthe ability to wealth if yu have access to important people. they don't have to pay taxes after all. >> people don't work as hard as ithey otherwise would have, dont take risks so don't get the growth have not raised taxes. i think that's what would happen if we went with president obama's plan. they come it will not grow as fast as it would have. speetracy: inevitably our taxesl go up because the wealthy do not pay as much as they thought. >> there's not enough revenue at the top to
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waiting for news on the fiscal cliff and what ben bernanke if he have anything to say about the fiscal cliff after two-day meeting by federal reserve. they are also watching for bond action. i want to touch on something you were saying. mcdonald's, a a contributor to the dow strength. these are contributing, very moderate strength. we are seeing strength and materials, healthcare industrials, that where mcdonald's trades, they are lower today. one of the reasons we were talking about same store sales and mcdonald's being stronger, that is a boost to its stock. but we have seen a pull back, most notably the gap before pressure. disappointed and a number of retailers did. that number is a mixed as we head toward thursday. the retailers on the retail sales figures for the month of november. quickly, touch on one deal today. honeywell making acquisition of intermac. $10 a share. honeywell, it wasn't unexpected. started taking a leg down on that. brian back to you. >> mary, thank you. >>> part of what is giving the market move today along with renewed confidence perhaps. in the chinese econ
waiting for news on the fiscal cliff and what ben bernanke if he have anything to say about the fiscal cliff after two-day meeting by federal reserve. they are also watching for bond action. i want to touch on something you were saying. mcdonald's, a a contributor to the dow strength. these are contributing, very moderate strength. we are seeing strength and materials, healthcare industrials, that where mcdonald's trades, they are lower today. one of the reasons we were talking about same store...
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d this fiscal cliff, not what is happening in january but long-term imagine problems. neil: you can't win being a lighter verdict of them. version of them. >> even during the campaign, i am not being critical of our candidates but they talked about how dire the circumstances are with our economy deficits but they put forward a plan that did not change entitlement for 10 years, if we' in a dire point, how can you say that -- they -- we did not make -- we made the case there is a problem. but they look add solution, they said it can't be too big of a problem if you are waiting 10 years to solve it. neil: rick santorum, always a prez eapleasure senator. hardest working senator. >> hard work does payoff, it does. neil: just a few moments, senator jim demint on why he is taking a sprint. is the tea party's loudest voice in the senate leaving the tea party high and dry? he is hereafter with the spark miles card from capital one, thor gets great rewards for his small business! your boa! [ rth ] thor's small business earns double miles on every pchase, every day! ahh, the new
d this fiscal cliff, not what is happening in january but long-term imagine problems. neil: you can't win being a lighter verdict of them. version of them. >> even during the campaign, i am not being critical of our candidates but they talked about how dire the circumstances are with our economy deficits but they put forward a plan that did not change entitlement for 10 years, if we' in a dire point, how can you say that -- they -- we did not make -- we made the case there is a problem....
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my next guest is concerned that we are going over the fiscal cliff. he says, preside obama seemingly is intent on rsing his post-election advantage to win tax increaseson the wealthy and to eliminate the houses debt ceiling leveraged. joining us now from washington d.c., peter wallace, former reagan white house counsel, former member of the financial crisis inquiry commission. a senior fellow at the american enterprise institute. good to have you here. you believe there going or the cliff. >> i think their is a real danger of this. one can see a path for obaaa that does not look so terrible if we do go over the cliff. all of the taxes go up, but the democrats have an opportunity to introduce legislation to reduce the taxes for 98 percent of the people leaving the wealthier people, i guess you could call them wealthy, the top two percentage to stay at the high rates. it is possible to do this. lou: it is posible, but i have to ask you, surely the republicans have to understand and had understand six months ago what what transpired in this lame duck ses
my next guest is concerned that we are going over the fiscal cliff. he says, preside obama seemingly is intent on rsing his post-election advantage to win tax increaseson the wealthy and to eliminate the houses debt ceiling leveraged. joining us now from washington d.c., peter wallace, former reagan white house counsel, former member of the financial crisis inquiry commission. a senior fellow at the american enterprise institute. good to have you here. you believe there going or the cliff....
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>> two words, fiscal cliff. we are absolutely frozen because we don't know what is going to happen come an end of the year and i'm afraid. we started to hear chatter about the government might just think this embolden them. the economy can handle as going over the cliff which is absolutely crazy but that is what we are starting to talk about down here. here we go again. that is why nothing is moving. stuart: merry christmas in chicago, we do appreciate it. see you again soon. major blow to unions in one of the biggest union state in the country. protests at the state capitol in michigan after the state legislator passed right to work laws. the governor says he is going to sign it putting michigan on track to become a right to work state. the unions absolutely furious. listen to this. [chanting] stuart: when you heard it before and heard it again. vincent the new geo of the center for public policy is in michigan. let me get things real straight here. if you have a right to work state, membership in the unionn be
>> two words, fiscal cliff. we are absolutely frozen because we don't know what is going to happen come an end of the year and i'm afraid. we started to hear chatter about the government might just think this embolden them. the economy can handle as going over the cliff which is absolutely crazy but that is what we are starting to talk about down here. here we go again. that is why nothing is moving. stuart: merry christmas in chicago, we do appreciate it. see you again soon. major blow...
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the fiscal cliff. he is about to give you the head start investors like. find out about it next in this mad dash. >>. >>> how will solar city fare in its debut this morning? chairman elon musk and lyndon rive will join us on cnbc. we count you down to the opening, the s & p losing less than one. if you think running a restaurant is hard, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. we create easy-to-use, powerful trading tools for all. look at these streaming charts! they're totally customizable and they let you visualize what might happen next. that's genius! we knew you needed a platform that could really help you elevate your trading. so we built it. chances of making this? it's a lot easier to find out if a trade is potentially profitable. just use our
the fiscal cliff. he is about to give you the head start investors like. find out about it next in this mad dash. >>. >>> how will solar city fare in its debut this morning? chairman elon musk and lyndon rive will join us on cnbc. we count you down to the opening, the s & p losing less than one. if you think running a restaurant is hard, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply...
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the fiscal cliff talks not going anywhere yet. during the next two weeks we will start to see some positive remarks. one thing that is very interesting, heat and oil settled in a very weak position. those two coming off could take the energy complex down much further. right now only 85 to 85.10. cheryl: we have plenty of supply out there right now. we are in the middle of winter. >> we have a tremendous amount of supply. we do not have much cold weather coming up near term. once the fiscal cliff starts getting resolved, you will see some buying going on. cheryl: bobby, i want to go back to you about europe. we have not had a lot of problees. seems like the greeks are kind to getting things. >> the last few days, europe markets have been pretty strong. as you said, a sleeping giant. cheryl: i do not want to see anything change. it has been nice. gentlemen, thank you. i appreciate it. great floor show today. uncertainty seems to be the norm in washington these days. last year you have the debt ceiling convey. congress had trouble pu
the fiscal cliff talks not going anywhere yet. during the next two weeks we will start to see some positive remarks. one thing that is very interesting, heat and oil settled in a very weak position. those two coming off could take the energy complex down much further. right now only 85 to 85.10. cheryl: we have plenty of supply out there right now. we are in the middle of winter. >> we have a tremendous amount of supply. we do not have much cold weather coming up near term. once the...
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peter, to you first. >> not the fiscal cliff. not today. just a day at a meeting speaker john boehner at the white house, president obama extended a little olive branch in avoiding the fiscal cliff. >> i have said i will work with republicans on a plan for economic growth, job creation and reducing our deficits. and had some common western democrats and republicans, i understand people have a lot of different views, i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> the white house would not disclose any details of the meeting with the president and the speaker yesterday. both sides confirming communications are open. speaker john boehner saying discussions are taking place. liz: maybe the fact they're keeping quiet may mean something is really going to happen. keep dreaming. >> does politics have to watch out what is happening in silicon valley. apple and google compete on so many different rounds. but they're actually coming together to co-compete on a bid for the patents that kodak holds. 1100 patents, half a billion dollars. they realize instea
peter, to you first. >> not the fiscal cliff. not today. just a day at a meeting speaker john boehner at the white house, president obama extended a little olive branch in avoiding the fiscal cliff. >> i have said i will work with republicans on a plan for economic growth, job creation and reducing our deficits. and had some common western democrats and republicans, i understand people have a lot of different views, i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> the white house...
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over the fiscal cliff. if you look at what the president's stance to gain if the country goes over the fiscal cliff, there are very clear and identifiable things. on the one hand the president could identify himself as a tax cutter. he could say -- on january 1st the president in terms of the country and say, now in favor of cutting these taxes that have been raised because we did not solve this before the fiscal cliff. he can turn and say to my want to restore some of this funding that my secretary of defense and joint chiefs of staff told me i need to restore and can position himself as sort of the protector of u.s. national security. so there are some clear incentives to the president to lead the country over the fiscal cliff. do i think that's what he wants? probably not, but do i think there are incentives for him to do it temecula. gerri: never looked at it that way. as you look at this debate on going, there are a lot of folks who say we will be flirting with recession or in recession if we do go ove
over the fiscal cliff. if you look at what the president's stance to gain if the country goes over the fiscal cliff, there are very clear and identifiable things. on the one hand the president could identify himself as a tax cutter. he could say -- on january 1st the president in terms of the country and say, now in favor of cutting these taxes that have been raised because we did not solve this before the fiscal cliff. he can turn and say to my want to restore some of this funding that my...
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what should the transition to the fiscal cliff here? are you sleeping nights thinking about all this? or how are you viewing what's going on in washington right now? >> people ask me what keeps me awake at night. i said nothing is important to keep me awake at night. that doesn't really advance the ball, one might say. you know, i can see the outlines of the fiscal cliff being avoided right now. reading a little bit behind the scenes. all i'm doing is paying attention to what's going on out there. i don't have the inside information or anything. but it has to be done. it has to be fixed. and i assume it will be. and i often quote churchill. maybe even on your show once, bill. that said americans always do the right thing but only after they've tried everything else. so we've tried everything else. that leaves us for the right thing which is some tax increases and some cuts in long-term benefits, medicare, social security, and so on. >> in which case and i hate saying this because it obviously shoots ourselves in the foot. are you advoca
what should the transition to the fiscal cliff here? are you sleeping nights thinking about all this? or how are you viewing what's going on in washington right now? >> people ask me what keeps me awake at night. i said nothing is important to keep me awake at night. that doesn't really advance the ball, one might say. you know, i can see the outlines of the fiscal cliff being avoided right now. reading a little bit behind the scenes. all i'm doing is paying attention to what's going on...
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still trying to avoid the fiscal cliff. president obama says he expects a deal before the year is out. and both sides traded offers yesterday. the markets are watching every move. >>> today is decision day for the fed. central bank announced another round of bond buying. we look ahead to the news conference with ben bernanke. >>> and michigan's governor makes history, turning a one-time union powerhouse
still trying to avoid the fiscal cliff. president obama says he expects a deal before the year is out. and both sides traded offers yesterday. the markets are watching every move. >>> today is decision day for the fed. central bank announced another round of bond buying. we look ahead to the news conference with ben bernanke. >>> and michigan's governor makes history, turning a one-time union powerhouse
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trading words in any progress or lack thereof on the looming fiscal cliff. david: live with the very latest proposals, if there are any real ones. >> all of this with a sense of optimism from both sides. no movement to secure a deal. wanting immediate tax rate hikes on the wealthy on the spending cuts. latest offer, $1.4 trillion in new tax revenue down from a previous offer of 1.6 trillion. and willingness to begin corporate tax reform. house speaker john boehner says that deal fell short. speak of the president's plan to avert the fiscal cliff still does not meet the two standards as laid out the day after the election. the plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. >> it is not a realistic position to say that we can resolve this by extending tax cuts for the wealthiest americans and vaguely promising that we will lean additional revenue by closing loopholes and counting deductions in a way everyone knows is unrealistic. >> republicans continue to refuse to raise tax rates on wealthier families, the official cl
trading words in any progress or lack thereof on the looming fiscal cliff. david: live with the very latest proposals, if there are any real ones. >> all of this with a sense of optimism from both sides. no movement to secure a deal. wanting immediate tax rate hikes on the wealthy on the spending cuts. latest offer, $1.4 trillion in new tax revenue down from a previous offer of 1.6 trillion. and willingness to begin corporate tax reform. house speaker john boehner says that deal fell...
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much more on the fiscal cliff ahead. energy 21 chairman john shiller says the outcome will greatly impact his industry as you can imagine. he is our special guest coming up. tracy: congressman tom cole says even if the congress passes the president's tax cuts it will not solve the problem, spending. let's see how oil is trading. the dow fallen further down 84 points. oil trading $86.27 a barrel. about a rise of 50 cents. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] this is the age of knowing what you're made of. why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? talk to your doctor about viagra. ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain; it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. side effects include headache, flushing, upset stomach, and abnormal vision. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours. stop taking viagra and call your doctor right away if you experience a sden decrease or loss in vision or hearing. th
much more on the fiscal cliff ahead. energy 21 chairman john shiller says the outcome will greatly impact his industry as you can imagine. he is our special guest coming up. tracy: congressman tom cole says even if the congress passes the president's tax cuts it will not solve the problem, spending. let's see how oil is trading. the dow fallen further down 84 points. oil trading $86.27 a barrel. about a rise of 50 cents. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] this is the age of knowing what...
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obama wins either way, he wins if negottion go his way or if we go or the fiscal cliff, either way, america loses. not so fast, i think we have choices. that is it for us, thank you, we'll see you tomorrow night goodight from new york. neil: think fat cats are still angry at the president? t chance, what if i told you a lot of sucking up to the talk abo off the wall or ould i say off the wall street, welcome neil cavuto here, and charlie gparino had it right, there is no squirmier, bunch than those on wall street. they were throwing any money they had to make sure that barack obama would be a one term, but now all but core coreon core -- cronning him all some with betwnmperor a king. a growiumr of financial types figuring nowhat the president is in, best both ses sort things by caving in. on everything from higher taxes r t rich, that is fine. higher investment related taxes onveryone, have at it. more stimulus, why not why this folding like a cheap suit now? maybe because the financial suits figure to go along so just getlong. i think at electns have consequences, i did not think th wall s
obama wins either way, he wins if negottion go his way or if we go or the fiscal cliff, either way, america loses. not so fast, i think we have choices. that is it for us, thank you, we'll see you tomorrow night goodight from new york. neil: think fat cats are still angry at the president? t chance, what if i told you a lot of sucking up to the talk abo off the wall or ould i say off the wall street, welcome neil cavuto here, and charlie gparino had it right, there is no squirmier, bunch than...
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stay with us. >>> the fiscal cliff fiasco. the obama plan, the boehner plan, will either alter america's rising rate of spending or lessen the size our bloatedgornment? the answer in tonight's chalk talk. >>is the housing market really recovering? $17 trillion is riding on the answer. the president and ceo o citi mortgage joins us next. [beep] [indistinct chatter] [kids talking at once] [speaking foreign language] [heart beaeating] [heartbeat continues] [faint singing] [heartbeat, music playi loude ♪ i'm feeling better since you knome ♪ ♪ i was a lonely soul, but that's the old me... ♪ announcer: thisong was created with heartbeats of children ineed. find out how it can help frontline e health workers bring hope to millions of children at everybeatmatters.org. lou: new rorts show foreign investment is heingthe housg market slowly recover. citimortgage president and ceo sanjiv das joins us here in just moments to discuss thatnd much more when it comesto housing. in the money lineonight, investors waiting cautiously to s
stay with us. >>> the fiscal cliff fiasco. the obama plan, the boehner plan, will either alter america's rising rate of spending or lessen the size our bloatedgornment? the answer in tonight's chalk talk. >>is the housing market really recovering? $17 trillion is riding on the answer. the president and ceo o citi mortgage joins us next. [beep] [indistinct chatter] [kids talking at once] [speaking foreign language] [heart beaeating] [heartbeat continues] [faint singing]...
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i think, now, the fiscal cliff saanich u, no question about it. we are going to get fiscal tightening one way or the other. what we're assuming is this is such a lose-lose proposition for both sides. if they actually let this thing, not gust get through december 31st and do nothing about it. think about it. can president obama get anything done until he gets something, no? >> all the cuts that happened as a result of the fiscal cliff, all over the place. let's cut hundreds of billions in defense. it doesn't indicate what missions are going to be no longer what, programs we're going to kim. i mean, we really have to be stupid to be doing that. >> so irresponsible. >> not knowing where the cuts are hitting. >> right. >> for the security of this country. >> i agree. >> so, therefore, you're going to get some agreement. maybe it's january 5th, maybe it's december 30th, january 10th, but it will probably be a band-aid agreement. that's the problem. this isn't going to be one of these long-term deficit reduction, credible agreements that does tax reform
i think, now, the fiscal cliff saanich u, no question about it. we are going to get fiscal tightening one way or the other. what we're assuming is this is such a lose-lose proposition for both sides. if they actually let this thing, not gust get through december 31st and do nothing about it. think about it. can president obama get anything done until he gets something, no? >> all the cuts that happened as a result of the fiscal cliff, all over the place. let's cut hundreds of billions in...
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larry, we are going to avoid the fiscal cliff resection. the white house is acting with impunity right now. and the white house is so far said look, we want to continue talking about one quarter of the president's own architecture. the president said there was a three to one ratio between savings and cuts and revenue. but they have been silent on this. >> little bit of breaking news. >> wow, the studio is shaking. mr. bhoener is at $800 million. no new information on then ti e ti tiltment. i'm suggesting. it is a game of chicken. neither party can afford this kind of recession. after what we've been through we can't take it. if that meanstending the tax cuts so be it. let me accept your premise. but i have to pile on more. something that is worse is a debt crisis. if you have a white house that is committed from going from $16 trillion in debt which is where the obama administration would lead us. what do you do with that knowledge? what if you come to the view that the president has created in the state of illinois which is a basket case t
larry, we are going to avoid the fiscal cliff resection. the white house is acting with impunity right now. and the white house is so far said look, we want to continue talking about one quarter of the president's own architecture. the president said there was a three to one ratio between savings and cuts and revenue. but they have been silent on this. >> little bit of breaking news. >> wow, the studio is shaking. mr. bhoener is at $800 million. no new information on then ti e ti...
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are we going to go up the fiscal cliff? isn't a mountain or a clip? somebody has to do something. >> everyone is fighting over tax increases and tax hikes. i get that. we need to find something they agree on. we need to take the pieces of the puzzle into them together. tracy: yes, they end up using every dollar that they have and there is nothing left at the end of the day. it is almost how we feel is the american people watching us. they are just waiting our money while they are fighting. >> where has everyone been the last two years? that is the biggest problem. can you get to economize everyone feels okay with? a really good compromise from both parties is important. it is an actual compromise. an amicable resolve. i think sitting here watching the news, sitting in sending an agreement, who knows what would happen? time is ticking. tracy: have there been any glaring mistakes that they have made in the compromising process? >> well, i think that people are coming from a viewer standpoint, they are saying, okay, if you're not showing all your cards.
are we going to go up the fiscal cliff? isn't a mountain or a clip? somebody has to do something. >> everyone is fighting over tax increases and tax hikes. i get that. we need to find something they agree on. we need to take the pieces of the puzzle into them together. tracy: yes, they end up using every dollar that they have and there is nothing left at the end of the day. it is almost how we feel is the american people watching us. they are just waiting our money while they are...
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the fiscal cliff gets closer and closer. so what's it like to grapple with fiscal issues inside congress? both of our next guests served on the budget committee. joining us now is marty russo of illinois. he served on the house ways and means budget committees and robert walker of pennsylvania now executive chairman. good to have both of you gentleman here. we've hit this theme before. before i get into the details, i want to stress again, you guys, you come from opposing points of view. but you were able as were many back in the day able to work together, find places where you could compromise. why does that seem to be so difficult now? >> well, in our days, it wasn't the majority of a majority. it wasn't like parliament system. we'd pick up republicans to pass. in those days bob michael was a heck of a minority leader. they would battle on the house floor. but in the end, it was what's in the best interest of the country. that's the same thing they did with president regan. it's what's in the best interest of the country r
the fiscal cliff gets closer and closer. so what's it like to grapple with fiscal issues inside congress? both of our next guests served on the budget committee. joining us now is marty russo of illinois. he served on the house ways and means budget committees and robert walker of pennsylvania now executive chairman. good to have both of you gentleman here. we've hit this theme before. before i get into the details, i want to stress again, you guys, you come from opposing points of view. but...
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we have to avert the fiscal cliff. my concern is it drives us into recession, knocks up employment up, and i agree with you, we have to ensure more peopl have more of their own money in the pockets to decide what to save, spend, what to invest, and anything that hurts our fragile economy, i think is bad for all americans, especially those like you talk about, trying to put food on the table and get the kids to school. acy: anything you come to the tail on? concessions to give into in order to get it done to avert the cliff? >> john boehner talked about increasing revenue. i think we need to do that through jobs and growth and getting more people back to work. unemploymentnumbers continue to be very high. our big problem is the sending. we continue to spend too much, and we have to make adjustments now to make sure we save and protect medicare and social security for future generation. tracy: there's no talk about that. raise taxes six ways until tuesday, and it's not covering the debt or spending habits at the end of t
we have to avert the fiscal cliff. my concern is it drives us into recession, knocks up employment up, and i agree with you, we have to ensure more peopl have more of their own money in the pockets to decide what to save, spend, what to invest, and anything that hurts our fragile economy, i think is bad for all americans, especially those like you talk about, trying to put food on the table and get the kids to school. acy: anything you come to the tail on? concessions to give into in order to...
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first, i want to ask you, bob, how much of this is due to the fed as opposed to the fiscal cliff. >> i'm not discounting the fiscal cliff but i think a lot of this is sell on the news related to the federal reserve. we have seen this news before. remember, take a look at the s&p 500. i don't think it is a coincidence we hit the highs of year september 14th. that's the day after the fed meeting when they announced quantitative ease meetings. they bought into the fed meeting then started selling immediately after. we saw thmovie before and they e doing this before. two months high on the dow jones industrial, a two-month chart of the dow jones industrial average, and you will see. there are the highs. and we are drifting lower here. i put more of this on sell on the news of the fed. spike and bond yields got a lot of e-mails talking about inflation in 2013. this has not been a successful trade but number of the etfs exist out there. spider gold trust with the classic hedge against inflation. one to five-year tips. very big etf. then you can even bet against long-term treasuries with th
first, i want to ask you, bob, how much of this is due to the fed as opposed to the fiscal cliff. >> i'm not discounting the fiscal cliff but i think a lot of this is sell on the news related to the federal reserve. we have seen this news before. remember, take a look at the s&p 500. i don't think it is a coincidence we hit the highs of year september 14th. that's the day after the fed meeting when they announced quantitative ease meetings. they bought into the fed meeting then...
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three weeks until the fiscal cliff. you can't see it, but there are hints of progress on capitol hill. live to washington, coming up. >>> also ahead, a judge rules in a politically charged battle over license plates in one state. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the...